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Big and Bashful wrote:
Swimming trunks have their uses, not getting locked up when going for a paddle sort of justifies their existence! Much as I would prefer it if swimming and beach related cavorting in the nuddy was legal and normal, unfortunately the influence of the prude has decreed that the fact that we are animals and have animal bits needs to be hidden from view, hence swimming trunks have got a job for life!
I too prefer nudity rather than swimwear (my "Budgie-smugglers" as MOH rather disparagingly calls them) on the beach and I like going to Greece for that - I've also been to Spain a couple of times and as howardh says, it is quite legal to go naked ANYWHERE in Spain, even city/town centres !
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on" - Winston Churchill.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" - Joseph Goebbels
Big and Bashful wrote:Swimming trunks have their uses, not getting locked up when going for a paddle sort of justifies their existence!
Bit OT but - You need to go to Spain more, where it is NOT an offence to be au natural on any beach! Curtosy means beaches adjacent to heavily built-up areas are not used for nude bathing (curtosy - not the law) but everywhere else you go as you want. Britain could learn a lesson from that!
Staying off topic for a moment:
In England and Wales it is not illegal to be naked on a beach (although there is plenty of "catch all" legislation that sometimes gets pressed into service when a police officer does not like something (anything)).
Even where there were local bylaws prohibiting nudity in some areas, they have mostly been repealed and replaced by the Department for Communities and Local Government model bylaws (number 6 - The Seashore) that do not contain that restriction.
Have fun,
Ian.
Do not argue with idiots; they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Cogito ergo sum - Descartes
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce
Big and Bashful wrote: I can't think of a more pointless garment.
Swimming trunks? Don't keep you warm, don't keep you dry and generally look dreadful too.
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Swimming trunks have their uses, not getting locked up when going for a paddle sort of justifies their existence! Much as I would prefer it if swimming and beach related cavorting in the nuddy was legal and normal, unfortunately the influence of the prude has decreed that the fact that we are animals and have animal bits needs to be hidden from view, hence swimming trunks have got a job for life!
I have a couple nice swim-skirts that double as minis which I walk, hike, jog, sprint, and mow the grass in.
Good idea, I have given up on my planned epic voyage, all the wind is in the wrong direction and things on the change of employer have suddenly started happening. I really need to keep an eye on my emails for a while, so I will have a collection of small sails instead. Hopefully next year there will be a weather window for a more ambitious sail.
I like the idea of sailing Sarf to warmer waters, but they are a long way away!
I am the God of Hellfire! and I bring you truffles!
Mentioning the weather, a couple of weeks ago during our *hot* spell - just to explain to the rest of the world anything over 25c in the UK is *hot* - and went into the sea @ Ainsdale, near Lancaster, and it was, for us, a balmy 20c. However, judging by the colour of the water, I didn't swim
No, Howard, I expect all beaches up that coast are a bit grey, flat & very tidal and I expect few of them can fly a 'blue flag'.
Tomorrow I high-tail it off down to Ballinskelligs in Kerry for ten days where underneath our little house there is a three-quarter mile stretch of blue flag beach where the water visibility exceeds sixty feet. Despite its position the water remains chilly, but not very, so launching our sailing dinghy off the beach in shorts and retrieving same is no problem.
Surprise, surprise, but after a sail we're often so wet that we'll take a quick swim anyway, usually on the high tide in the afternoon or evening.
Agreed, B&B, the warm blue waters are a long way 'Sarth'. The guy who bought us out of the yacht syndicate has so far only got to Galicia in N. Spain, but he hopes to winter in the Canaries.
Big and Bashful wrote:Good idea, I have given up on my planned epic voyage, all the wind is in the wrong direction and things on the change of employer have suddenly started happening.
This is an example of the shorter jacket length that might be necessary to go with a skirted outfit.
The traditional suit jacket extends to halfway down the fingers when the arms are at the side.
Stuart Gallion
No reason to hide my full name
Back in my skirts in San Francisco
Big and Bashful wrote:Good idea, I have given up on my planned epic voyage, all the wind is in the wrong direction and things on the change of employer have suddenly started happening.
I have taught all of my children and grandchildren how to tie a tie - half Windsor and full Windsor although I exclusively only use the latter. Things come around that come around. My granddaughter who's just started secondary school has been wearing her tie with a very short wide part, much the same as I wore it for a while when I was her age. I also wore it for a time without pulling the wide part through the knot so to speak. I haven't seen that yet although it may just be a matter of time. As for the strangulation effect if the shirt is the right fit then you should be able to get three fingers between the collar and your neck - if not then it's too small. The right sized shirt should be comfortable - if you then still feel as if you're being strangled then it's purely psychological.
As for the budgie smugglers I never wear them. I generally use women's thongs for sunbathing for maximum exposure and adequate frontal coverage. When swimming I use women's bikini bottoms which fit really well provide coverage and to my sense of taste come in all sorts of bright colours - the brighter the better. The current trend is to add ridiculous side ties or similar decorative lengths which makes them unusable to me. Still, each to their own. Nothing has ever been said as bikini bottoms look so much like budgie smugglers to most people and they are probably too self absorbed or afraid to ask. Funnily, MOH has no objections to this and has even bought me the swimwear that I own.
I believe in offering every assistance short of actual help but then mainly just want to be left to be myself in all my difference and uniqueness.
Zorba wrote:That is the ONLY acceptable way to wear them. Otherwise, just say "NO!".
There's a good answer. And for all Sinned's claims (though they may be accurate) of a strangulation effect being entirely psycological, I've woken from a sound sleep to find myself reaching for a t-shirt neck a great deal looser than any formal shirt collar. Most of my shirts won't take a tie, despite being possessed of a collar.
human@world# ask_question --recursive "By what legitimate authority?"
