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Stu

Err guys this has gone really off thread could we get back to the original subject

I think it's a non-starter. For one, tr*users do have their place, and I'm not willing to give up the freedom to wear them when I want. Besides, it's silly and wasteful; if you really want to be shot of your tr*users, donate 'em to charity.

You'll also find that not too many women actually burned their brassieres back in the 1960s. There was a big show about it, but it was 99% hype driven by a few radicals -- it was not mainstream by any means. Not that blokes wearing skirts are mainstream, either, but maybe over time perceptions will change.

Concerning a "masculinist movement", I suspect that's a non-starter as well. One should remember that men hold a lot of the cards already -- we tend to be better paid, for one, and tend to go higher in our chosen professions than women, and in many parts of the world, men still have direct power of compulsion over women (even the wedding vows in some religions include the clause, "to obey" for the woman). True, women do hold the upper hand in some matters (alimony, and child custody), but it's not a wash by any means.

As far as the thread over on Practical Parenting goes, I'm not a parent, and will never be one, so I'm not particularly qualified to pipe up in such a forum. It is fun, although rather predictable, watching the open minds and the closed ones square off.

Very good points, crfriend! As I've only got one tr*user that still fits, & "'er-indoors" has strict views on what to wear when I'm out with her, 'burning' would be a futile (& potentially explosive!) gesture. "Bra-burning" attracted much scorn & ridicule at the time - as much from 'real' women as blokes. Now if there was a plot to completely burn/destroy all stocks of those ludicrous 'capri' things..........!

I agree with all that. I don't think it helps to create an image of yourself as an unpredictable radical, since people assume unpredictable means dangerous. We take enough guff as it is!

Ya can't ban Capri pants. What would the # 2 Tennis player in the world, Raphael Nadal do. Capri pants are all he wears to play $500,000.00 events... :shake:

Never heard of the bloke, Skip! Tell him to get one of those neat pleated tennis skirts - much healthier (& more flattering, too!).

Since1982 wrote:Ya can't ban Capri pants. What would the # 2 Tennis player in the world, Raphael Nadal do. Capri pants are all he wears to play $500,000.00 events... :shake:

I don't know about Capri pants, but I have a couple pairs of heavy Capri length tights I found on closeout at REI a year or so ago. I wear them for walking, biking, hiking (too old and lame to run!) Like 'em a lot.
Sasq

In the 60's some women burnt their bras. Now some 40 odd years later women are still wearing bras, complaining about the discomfort, increasing their risk of breast cancer, having back and neck problems but are still wearing them nevertheless.

Not only are they wearing bras, the fashion seems to be for padded, bullet proof versions that are SOOOOO unhealthy. I suspect that there is no connection between health and fashion at all.

Some how all I think burning trousers will do is create some more smoke and pollution but is unlikely to change most mens' attitudes. Likewise appealing to common sense, health or other reasons is also likely to fail.

I suspect the only time men will want to wear skirts is when celebrity or gangsta types say it is cool to wear a skirt and only uncool dude wear dem' pants.

davereporter wrote: I suspect the only time men will want to wear skirts is when celebrity or gangsta types say it is cool to wear a skirt and only uncool dude wear dem' pants.

I sincerely hope that the notion of Men In Skirts does not get co-opted into a "hip-hop" look. That would almost certainly put it on a collision course with oblivion because of the perceived (sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly) link of the hip-hop "culture" with overt interpersonal violence. I'd vastly rather see the look adopted by a culture representing gentility and civility.

I'm also not sure that having "the look" taken up by "celebrity" would be a good thing, either, unless the individual taking the look up is well respected. After all, I doubt very much that Michael Jackson or {insert your favourite "celebretard" here} would make for a good role model.

crfriend wrote:I sincerely hope that the notion of Men In Skirts does not get co-opted into a "hip-hop" look. That would almost certainly put it on a collision course with oblivion because of the perceived (sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly) link of the hip-hop "culture" with overt interpersonal violence. I'd vastly rather see the look adopted by a culture representing gentility and civility.

I'm also not sure that having "the look" taken up by "celebrity" would be a good thing, either, unless the individual taking the look up is well respected. After all, I doubt very much that Michael Jackson or {insert your favourite "celebretard" here} would make for a good role model.

The 'celeb problem' is that their apparel is generally perceived as 'stage-wear'. Whilst folk I know who have met MJ (in person) have said what a nice bloke he really is, the general perception says differently. Your point is very valid, crfriend; whilst I am unsure what "'hip-hop" is meant to portray (is it the same as that d*mn awful 'rap' stuff?), it's not something I would want to be associated with, I suspect. :shake:

merlin wrote:Whilst folk I know who have met MJ (in person) have said what a nice bloke he really is, the general perception says differently.

I've not met the man in person, so I cannot qualitatively comment on his personal attributes; however, his public ones are, shall we say, "unfortunate". My comment was made to make a point as far as "celebrity" is concerned, and where it might "go bad" insofar as public acceptance of "men in skirts" goes, not as a "shot" to an individual.

merlin wrote:whilst I am unsure what "'hip-hop" is meant to portray (is it the same as that d*mn awful 'rap' stuff?), it's not something I would want to be associated with, I suspect. :shake:

It's that, precisely; moreover, my comment addressed the entire realm of what's known as the "hip-hop culture" here in the US. As far as can be discerned by those outside of said "culture", it's a hyper-violent, misogynistic, and a generally disrespectful, no, strike that, hateful, "culture" -- certainly not what we'd like to see portrayed as characteristics of "regular blokes" (warts and all) just simply wearing skirted garments. I'd much rather see the "stereotypical" bloke-in-a-skirt be a character that's approachable, affable, and friendly, rather than somebody who'll pull out his "nine millimetre bling" and blaze away at the faintest whim.

Kind of guess it wouldn’t go down in these parts well at least I’ve got the balls to go out there & attempt to make a difference rather then sit around bitching.

crfriend wrote:I've not met the man in person, so I cannot qualitatively comment on his personal attributes; however, his public ones are, shall we say, "unfortunate". My comment was made to make a point as far as "celebrity" is concerned, and where it might "go bad" insofar as public acceptance of "men in skirts" goes, not as a "shot" to an individual.

No, I do realise you weren't 'picking' on the said gent, in particular! My point was that with some folk (like, say, MJ), it's difficult to see where the 'stage persona' & 'normal life' separate. What some wear on stage, they wouldn't dream of wearing outside the theatre/filmset, etc.

Of course, it doesn't help when a celeb is caught by the media cameras 'in his own time' and then runs like a startled rabbit, as if he were doing something wrong. I'm referring to the "Beckham affair", when he panicked, whilst wearing a sarong over his jeans, and ran. If he'd 'walked tall' (& preferably ditched the jeans before leaving the house!), he would almost certainly have become a positive role-model for the younger element - and no doubt sarongs would have appeared on the terraces in no time. Instead, the 'message' was read that this was a grave 'fashion gaff', not to be repeated. Sad, really.............. :shake:

merlin wrote: Of course, it doesn't help when a celeb is caught by the media cameras 'in his own time' and then runs like a startled rabbit, as if he were doing something wrong. I'm referring to the "Beckham affair", when he panicked, whilst wearing a sarong over his jeans, and ran. If he'd 'walked tall' (& preferably ditched the jeans before leaving the house!), he would almost certainly have become a positive role-model for the younger element - and no doubt sarongs would have appeared on the terraces in no time. Instead, the 'message' was read that this was a grave 'fashion gaff', not to be repeated. Sad, really.............. :shake:

This may actually be the crux of the issue -- most blokes are so self-insecure that they almost cannot "stand tall" when confronted whilst doing anything even remotely considered "un-masculine". It's ridiculous, of course, but I suspect it may be there -- hence Beckham's performance. I'd heard of the incident shortly after it happened, but I didn't know he had the sarong over a pair of jeans until recently. Perhaps he bolted because he knew he looked silly -- wear one or the other, but not both. Like "clam-diggers", the look's neither fish nor fowl and is jarring to the senses.

ziggy_encaoua wrote:[...]well at least I’ve got the balls to go out there & attempt to make a difference rather then sit around bitching.

Methinks that you'll find the same approach with most of the folks in this community.