Using the Restroom and Fear

[howardfh]

In my country, we don’t need to take weapons into a toilet.

I don’t want to visit or go anywhere near a country permits or condones such behaviour.

I feel sorry for those of you who live in such fear.

If I lived in a country where you need to carry a weapon into the toilets, I'd leave that country pretty darned quick. By heck, how is it allowed to happen that citizens are allowed to carry deadly weapons - and even feel they need to? Obviously that's a topic for a different forum, but in the UK if I'm dressed as female and use the "female" loo - I almost always get mugged for lippy, hairspray, nail glue....

A handbag is my weapon of choice!!

[denimini]

I have no problem standing at a urinal, only needing to slightly lift the front of the mini skirt. Far easier and a lot more modesty than using a fly. I don't have eyes in the back of my head to see any reactions but never anything verbal ................ nor requiring a gun.

[moonshadow]

In my country, we don’t need to take weapons into a toilet.

I don’t want to visit or go anywhere near a country permits or condones such behaviour.

I feel sorry for those of you who live in such fear.

I have NEVER felt the need to pack heat in any part of this country.

But Americans do have a tendency to be overly dramatic.

Moses freed the Israelites from Egypt with nothing more than a staff and faith in God.

So.... walk tall and carry a big stick.

And I already know many here don't believe in God. That's not the point, it's the principle of the matter.

For a country that prides itself on so much faith, we sure don't act like it. It seems to me we worship money and guns and other material things.

Kinda the opposite of what I thought Christ represented, but what do I know...? I'm just a dumb old hillbilly.

[crfriend]

I have NEVER felt the need to pack heat in any part of this country.

Nor have I, and I've lived here for 64+ years. If I felt the need to carry a gun for protection, I'd move to somewhere where I didn't. "Carrying for protection" is a misnomer; it's vastly more likely to go horribly wrong than right.

Right now, I'm far more afraid of my own "government" and I am about random individuals -- and more likely to get picked up and disappeared simply because I don't agree with Der Fuerher. (Why is that possible? Because Der Fuerher say so, and nobody has the 'nads stop him.)

The US, until recently, simply was not all that violent save for some real sickos who should never had access to firearms (and, recall that you can kill just as handily with a hammer as a gun.)

[JohnH]

My problem when I use the men's restroom even while wearing male attire is I get read as a woman, as people give me stares as I enter the restroom.
On the other hand, while wearing a dress and using a women's restroom nobody pays attention to me.
On the other hand, I would NEVER enter a woman's locker room as I have male genitals.
This whole restroom debacle would never have happened it unaltered males at birth, "transgender women", had not invaded women's locker rooms.

John

[Hayseed]

Here's part of my take on this.

First, if you can pass perfectly (and I have known some who could), then use the women's room. Since by hypothesis, you can perfectly pass, no one is going to know unless you reveal it yourself.

OTOH, I saw a young man in Redmond, WA public library coming out of the women's room. There was absolutely nothing about him which spoke of his being a woman (except, I suspect, his "self-identification" as a woman which was entirely within his own mind). This person had no business whatsoever using the women's room. The only possibly valid excuse I have ever heard for trans people to use the women's room is the "fear of assault" issue, but if the person in question is utterly indistinguishable from any ordinary male . . .

As for me, I do not pass. I do not try to pass. I use the men's room. Because I'm a guy.

[jamie001]

In my country, we don’t need to take weapons into a toilet.

I don’t want to visit or go anywhere near a country which permits or condones such behaviour.

I feel sorry for those of you who live in such fear.

In America, this area is the Redneck South and some areas of the Bible Belt.

[timemeddler]

In my country, we don’t need to take weapons into a toilet.

I don’t want to visit or go anywhere near a country which permits or condones such behaviour.

I feel sorry for those of you who live in such fear.

Oh sure, no crime in your county, I totally believe that.

[crfriend]

Oh sure, no crime in your county, I totally believe that.

I believe an "r" has been omitted in there. Ray lives in the UK, a decidedly more peaceful place than the USA. That's not to say they don't have their problems -- they do -- but it's nowhere on the scale of what happens in the USA. As one commentator noted in the 1980s about the difference be tween the US and Canada, "In Canada, we have a gun problem. The US is a war zone by comparison."

[Uncle Al]

In my country, we don’t need to take weapons into a toilet.

I don’t want to visit or go anywhere near a country which permits or condones such behaviour.

I feel sorry for those of you who live in such fear.

In America, this area is the Redneck South and some areas of the Bible Belt.

I write the following as a member - not a mod:

Jamie001 - your 'comments', IMHO, indicate you're trying to project your 'fears' onto the rest of Skirt Cafe'.
99.9% of members don't have these "problems".
I live in, what you call "The Redneck South" and, frankly, have NEVER had any of the problems that you 'suggest'.
A "normal person" stands their ground - does not retreat.

Fear-mongering is a typical strategy of the extreme left liberal-ism.
Skirt Cafe' stands for supporting men in skirts, not to instill fear into their hearts and minds.
If you want to spread 'fear', you need to go somewhere else.

Uncle Al

[timemeddler]

Oh sure, no crime in your county, I totally believe that.

I believe an "r" has been omitted in there. Ray lives in the UK, a decidedly more peaceful place than the USA. That's not to say they don't have their problems -- they do -- but it's nowhere on the scale of what happens in the USA. As one commentator noted in the 1980s about the difference be tween the US and Canada, "In Canada, we have a gun problem. The US is a war zone by comparison."

The UK is known to side with criminals who happen to have accidents breaking into seniors homes.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-in ... ates/Crime

This depends on what you compare Apparently they have more:
Drug crimes
3 times the crime per 1000 people
twice as many rape victims
Assault victims about twice as many as the USA
total crime victims about 25% more than the USA

Are you sure it's more peaceful?

Uk population 69 million
USA population 340 million

So even if the usa had 1% of the population committing crimes and The Uk also had 1% doing the same thing of course we'd have more.

[moonshadow]

In America, this area is the Redneck South and some areas of the Bible Belt.

Enough

I went through some pretty ridiculous and flamboyant phases during my decade in the area you describe. Sure I picked up a little heckling from time to time, but I never felt unsafe. In fact, virtually everyone treated me normally from businesses to strangers.

I fact, if you want to get technical, I picked up more COMPLIMENTS in the backwards "Redneck South" and "Bible belt" that you describe than I ever have here in the PNW. In fact I've not clocked a single compliment since I came here... however when I flew back to Appalachia last summer, I got a couple of compliments during my short five day stay.

Turn the damned news off, put down your phone. The world isn't as bad as they make it seem.

[JohnH]

Moonshadow, I agree.with you. I live in the DFW, Texas area and I have NEVER been harassed or threatened for presenting like a woman. I also get compliments from women.

John

[Ray]

Oh sure, no crime in your county, I totally believe that.

I believe an "r" has been omitted in there. Ray lives in the UK, a decidedly more peaceful place than the USA. That's not to say they don't have their problems -- they do -- but it's nowhere on the scale of what happens in the USA. As one commentator noted in the 1980s about the difference be tween the US and Canada, "In Canada, we have a gun problem. The US is a war zone by comparison."

The UK is known to side with criminals who happen to have accidents breaking into seniors homes.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-in ... ates/Crime

This depends on what you compare Apparently they have more:
Drug crimes
3 times the crime per 1000 people
twice as many rape victims
Assault victims about twice as many as the USA
total crime victims about 25% more than the USA

Are you sure it's more peaceful?

Uk population 69 million
USA population 340 million

So even if the usa had 1% of the population committing crimes and The Uk also had 1% doing the same thing of course we'd have more.

Timemeddler,

I have not stated that the U.K. has no crime. Therefore your first response is otiose.

Now let’s move on to your crime stats - and it’s here that I acknowledge the source website. It checks out. However please note that a lot of the data is way out of date. For example, murders by firearms seems to cite 2002 data.

1. Please provide evidence to support your case that the U.K. “sides with” criminals breaking into seniors’ homes (try not to cite the Tony Martin case; I’d like trends, not outliers)

2. More drug crimes. You are referring to opiate use. Do you have data on wider drug crime use? Note that cannabis is decriminalised in, I believe, 13 states - the U.K. still treats cannabis use as illegal. Thus, our crime rates will skew higher than the USA.

3. Murder by firearms. The USA has 669 times more deaths than the UK. Adjust for population size, and you are still 138 times more likely to be shot dead in the USA than the UK. You omitted that fact, I note.

4. You do not cite the source of your data on rapes and assault victims. Please can you do so.

Look at the murders and gun crime. The serious stuff. Crime is so endemic in your country, you even have a convicted felon as your leader. What does that say about the moral standing of the USA? Its tolerance for crime?

I attach a link below. It is from Oxford University press, which does appear to be credible.

https://academic.oup.com/book/36298/cha ... m=fulltext

The article suggests “broadly that the incidence of serious violent crime per capita is between three and seven times as high in the United States as in England and Wales * “.

* Note that there are no national statistics for the UK - data for England and Wales covers about 90% of the UK, so can be taken as a proxy for the UK.

To answer your question - am I sure the UK is more peaceful than the USA?

Yes. Absolutely.

[timemeddler]

I believe an "r" has been omitted in there. Ray lives in the UK, a decidedly more peaceful place than the USA. That's not to say they don't have their problems -- they do -- but it's nowhere on the scale of what happens in the USA. As one commentator noted in the 1980s about the difference be tween the US and Canada, "In Canada, we have a gun problem. The US is a war zone by comparison."

The UK is known to side with criminals who happen to have accidents breaking into seniors homes.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-in ... ates/Crime

This depends on what you compare Apparently they have more:
Drug crimes
3 times the crime per 1000 people
twice as many rape victims
Assault victims about twice as many as the USA
total crime victims about 25% more than the USA

Are you sure it's more peaceful?

Uk population 69 million
USA population 340 million

So even if the usa had 1% of the population committing crimes and The Uk also had 1% doing the same thing of course we'd have more.

Timemeddler,

I have not stated that the U.K. has no crime. Therefore your first response is otiose.

Now let’s move on to your crime stats - and it’s here that I acknowledge the source website. It checks out. However please note that a lot of the data is way out of date. For example, murders by firearms seems to cite 2002 data.

1. Please provide evidence to support your case that the U.K. “sides with” criminals breaking into seniors’ homes (try not to cite the Tony Martin case; I’d like trends, not outliers)

2. More drug crimes. You are referring to opiate use. Do you have data on wider drug crime use? Note that cannabis is decriminalised in, I believe, 13 states - the U.K. still treats cannabis use as illegal. Thus, our crime rates will skew higher than the USA.

3. Murder by firearms. The USA has 669 times more deaths than the UK. Adjust for population size, and you are still 138 times more likely to be shot dead in the USA than the UK. You omitted that fact, I note.

4. You do not cite the source of your data on rapes and assault victims. Please can you do so.

Look at the murders and gun crime. The serious stuff. Crime is so endemic in your country, you even have a convicted felon as your leader. What does that say about the moral standing of the USA? Its tolerance for crime?

I attach a link below. It is from Oxford University press, which does appear to be credible.

https://academic.oup.com/book/36298/cha ... m=fulltext

The article suggests “broadly that the incidence of serious violent crime per capita is between three and seven times as high in the United States as in England and Wales * “.

* Note that there are no national statistics for the UK - data for England and Wales covers about 90% of the UK, so can be taken as a proxy for the UK.

To answer your question - am I sure the UK is more peaceful than the USA?

Yes. Absolutely.

here quick I did cite the source it's in the link provided, and your last point convinced me how you think, go live in your oppressive country

Ps on number 5, just because you dont do it with a gun doesnt make it not murder. scroll down and we see
Violent crime > Intentional homicide rate 1.17
Ranked 74th. 4.7
Ranked 7th. 4 times more than United Kingdom
so..assuming they dimply took the total number of violent crimes, then factor in the population of the untied states is 5 times bigger, we could say there's less violent crimes.