A lull in postings

[Uncle Al]

<Snip>... (She knows how to use it, too, and I'm not talking as a "blunt weapon". )

I understand, but, it may be best to throw your 'hat' in the
door when you come home. If nothing goes flying at it, then
it will be safe to go in. If something does come flying at
the hat, Head For The Hills!
Send me an email and I'll come and take you to a safe refuge

Uncle Al
Duncanville, TX

[Sasquatch]

Mendacity, I say! Ain't that so, Brick!

sasq

[Departed Member]

Like I said a week or two ago, I miss the days when the Cafe was just a "Blokes in skirts" forum. Just lurking and waiting to see what happens, or to see if somewhere else opens up. I am not going to argue this because I don't want to spark off another heated debate, so back to "lurk mode".

Have to say, I agree with you totally, matey! I still believe the 'way forward' is a split, similar to the creation of "Chris's Atrium" years back, except this time the 'new' forum would be aimed at catering for folk like you and I (& countless others who have apparently(?) taken a step or two out of the 'firing line'). I used to 'look in' a couple of times a day (had done for, well, years), but now once a week or so, 'til things either change (unlikely?) or get back to 'normal' (even more unlikely?).

[Peter v]

Like I said a week or two ago, I miss the days when the Cafe was just a "Blokes in skirts" forum. Just lurking and waiting to see what happens, or to see if somewhere else opens up. I am not going to argue this because I don't want to spark off another heated debate, so back to "lurk mode".

Have to say, I agree with you totally, matey! I still believe the 'way forward' is a split, similar to the creation of "Chris's Atrium" years back, except this time the 'new' forum would be aimed at catering for folk like you and I (& countless others who have apparently(?) taken a step or two out of the 'firing line'). I used to 'look in' a couple of times a day (had done for, well, years), but now once a week or so, 'til things either change (unlikely?) or get back to 'normal' (even more unlikely?).

Ah, Merlin, "G'day, mate". I would think that looks to me to be a narrow minded look at things, no offence, as what do you read in a auto magazine? Only the topics which interest you. If you are into racing, then you certainly pass on the commuter of the year tests. New turbo's YES, New electric cars, NO. What is the difference with the cafe? As before, and always, you read the topics and postings which interest you. Don't be in denial of the fact that not all men are the same. If it is a kilt forum anybody wishes, with only black watch tartan or whatever, go there. It's fine uhum for me, "us". (men in skirts) There is enough for all on this forum. And as I have stated before, don't blame the input from others, blame the input from men as yourself, with same wishes and same way of dressing as yourself who apparently aren't posting enough as to be the trouble of looking for.

Don't be mistaken, if you or anybody else goes to a smaller, specific forum, the input would maybe be much less, much less varied, more one sided, very boring even. That is not men in skirts. That is men in a um hum um Tartan Kilt, Black watch, or whatever group. Nothing wrong with that, but don't blame this forum. Please.

[Since1982]

Ah, Merlin, "G'day, mate". I would think that looks to me to be a narrow minded look at things, no offence, as what do you read in a auto magazine? Only the topics which interest you.

For someone who starts with "no offence" you're sure piling the offence on pretty heavily. Stating "no offence" at the beginning of a statement does not give one the right to dump all over someone else.

[Peter v]

I am sure that if I am seeing it totally wrong, I will read a defence, getting true details of background for the postings made before. If that is what the poster stands for I am actually complimenting him.
I can't dump on anybody if I am telling the apparent truth.

Otherwise I am only putting to paper what is left out by the poster.
The cafe is under attack, I am defending the cafe.

Again, if auto racing and only that is your thing, don't ask the auto club to dismiss their members and keep only the race fraternity, to essentially become a racers only club. But start a racers only club yourself or join one. maybe even astep further, a racing club for one particular make and type. And maybe your wife can be a member of the "auto club" because it will still be there for automobilists, catering for all. Or heaven forbid, if you decide not to be so narrowly focussed on one particular type/make/ activity, by choice or neccessity, even you can then again become a member of the auto club. Still being able to have an active interest in racing.

Even with the auto club, if most members are racers, then the accent is a racing one. If all the racers but one stop, can the one racer complain that it is the fault of all the others that there is no more an accent on racing? I am sure the racers who left are to blame.
Is that a clear explanation?

[Since1982]

Even with the auto club, if most members are racers, then the accent is a racing one. If all the racers but one stop, can the one racer complain that it is the fault of all the others that there is no more an accent on racing? I am sure the racers who left are to blame.
Is that a clear explanation?

Yep, it's very clear, you're telling (not asking) all the so called "manly" skirt wearers to get out of Skirt Cafe as their "type" is not needed here any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Big and Bashful]

Even with the auto club, if most members are racers, then the accent is a racing one. If all the racers but one stop, can the one racer complain that it is the fault of all the others that there is no more an accent on racing? I am sure the racers who left are to blame.
Is that a clear explanation?

Yep, it's very clear, you're telling (not asking) all the so called "manly" skirt wearers to get out of Skirt Cafe as their "type" is not needed here any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

It's amazing how one person can change the whole flavour of a forum (Yes you Peter!). I used this forum because it was for manly skirt wearers, I resent the change in this forum, there were other forums catering for the more adventurous skirter such as yourself but there was only the Cafe for people who think like I do. Now to my mind the cafe has been spoilt for us manly skirt wearers. Still, at least I have discovered the Foes list. Goodbye! Ha Ha Ha! etc.

[sapphire]

Uncle Al wrote:

I understand, but, it may be best to throw your 'hat' in the
door when you come home.

Why did you say that?

[Peter v]

I have been friendly helped out by a forum member about my english, via a pm.
Thanks, about the english gramma. That will be an ongoing theme. Feel free to correct me at will.
I truly appreciate your PM. at least I can get a feeling of how others feel about the way I post, and friendship is shown.

Astonished and amazed, It may seem to some? Apparently that I am acting like I am the boss of the cafe.
At least that suggestion has been placed in a pm.
That would be quite a mistaken thought. The very fact that I feel that there should be a healthy discussion amongst the members, and that I am not one to sit by and just look on when I see things written which I think otherwise about. Or think that at least one person, let it be me then, should react on, compells me to place a posting in a respectful manner, of course, but depending on the issue, stating my opinion or taking up the gauntlet in name of those for whom it may concern but who are nowhere to be seen.

I am certainly not the "boss"of anything, except what I do.
I am though, speaking out as an active member, prepaired to speak his mind, as non offensive as possible, but to my knowledge, address issues as I come across them.

With regards to discussions on the forum, I am not easily offended myself. In true life, I can get really upset sometimes, when I am abusively openly insulted, sworn at. And would not mind seeing the lives ended of those shouting abusive insults at me in person. . Which shall not say that I would want to do that. Luckily I am not prepaired to put the rest of my life on the balance for those low lifes. Don't be mistaken, words can and do hurt, that is why they are intentionally used agressively.

The fact that I am apparently seen as acting as if I am a new boss, to some if any, suggests that I come across as a strong personality. Which is a compliment. Not wanting to boss anybody myself. And I don't have any "powers" anyway. There is a lack of clear sensible input on some subjects. And some statements that are as I see them, based on gross misunderstandings, but I could be wrong, and I challenge them. And there are some who I think are constantly trying to undermine the forum. Newcommers don't undermine. If they are somehow on a wrong track, they can be staged onto the right one. Giving newcommers the blame is a very weak way of not accepting progress and diversity. And of a dwindling active attendance from certain groups of skirt wearers. Surely "they" cannot expect others to wait with postings until there is a substantial input from what I would call for want of a better name, in this case, the "manly" skirt wearers. And for what seems to be only a hand full of men, summing up from the posts regarding complaints, not of all the manly skirt wearers, a big difference.

I don't intend to offend in my postings, and if some are offended, I am sorry, but that may be a sighn that they have shortcommings, which may also be the cause of flame wars. As compared to the people who respectfully state their thoughts, believing them to be for the good of the cafe, and leaving them open to discussion.

"You" can be as narrow minded as "you" wish on a narrow forum, specifically aimed at a narrow target group.
Not so on skirt cafe. It is however possible to have a main line of thought, if you like, a basically "manly" way of dressing, which leaves room for deviences to the left and right. When there is enough input from a majority "manly"(hate that term) dressers, then that will keep the balance. There is no wish as far as I know it to have it any other way. If they (the manly dressers who are complaining) pack up and leave there is no blame on the rest.

How many dare to voice themselves, when there are some people active, placing statements that others are in disagreement with? I am one of those, who if need be would give my life for what I stand for, and not stand by silently letting others have their say, which I THINK is not correct. Because no matter what is said, no matter how stupid, if it is not challenged, then it becomes a truth. You can't discuss with idiots, but if they do have their say, and no one challenges it, then they are right.. DO NOT read this wrong, I am NOT saying that anybody here is an idiot.

So if "you" have / anybody has, other thoughts on any matters, it must be challenged. I believe that is democracy. If worse comes to worse, It is better to remove "troublesome elements" if anybody could ever be called that, than to let them have the podium and all be silent. To be silent is to agree.

If there was more input from others who could put in well spoken postings, then I would have less reason to answer as I do. I am perfectly happy to read input from others, and let others "get their fingers burnt while taking the chestnuts out of the fire" ( I have translated a Dutch saying, don't know if it is understandable in english)
It so happens that there is a shortage of posters who say more than one sentance, so I feel obliged to go into discussion. If I did not react, then "the others" would apparently dominate. Is that what is wanted? One-sidedness?

[Neil]

Even with the auto club, if most members are racers, then the accent is a racing one. If all the racers but one stop, can the one racer complain that it is the fault of all the others that there is no more an accent on racing? I am sure the racers who left are to blame.
Is that a clear explanation?

Yep, it's very clear, you're telling (not asking) all the so called "manly" skirt wearers to get out of Skirt Cafe as their "type" is not needed here any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

It's amazing how one person can change the whole flavour of a forum (Yes you Peter!). I used this forum because it was for manly skirt wearers, I resent the change in this forum, there were other forums catering for the more adventurous skirter such as yourself but there was only the Cafe for people who think like I do. Now to my mind the cafe has been spoilt for us manly skirt wearers. Still, at least I have discovered the Foes list. Goodbye! Ha Ha Ha! etc.

Not to intrude into an argument long in the making, but where were these "other forums"? I'm still new to this iteration of the Cafe, but I don't recall seeing other forums as you describe them. There are countless crossdressing/transgendered forums, and there are a few "men in skirts as unisex fashion" forums, but from what I could tell about those, they were dedicated to the more "manly skirt wearer" than they were to the "more adventurous skirter." I'm happy to be wrong, but I don't remember them, and I have spent a fair amount of time looking over the years.

[Ray]

Neil,

Since1982 is referring, I would guess, to the breakaway forum, Chris' Atrium, which can still be found online. It's rather less developed than Skirtcafé, and has shrivelled up somewhat since its inception.

Whether we like it or not, this forum is the only real alternative to the extremes of (a) tranny/CD and (b) kilt sites. That's why it contains different sections - to allow those with differing views to find the area they are most comfortable with. It doesn't always work that way though!

[Richard III]

For someone who starts with "no offence" you're sure piling the offence on pretty heavily.

Peter v's words don't offend me. Note that he is posting from the Netherlands. It seems that English is not his first language. The only word of his that looks offensive to me is "narrow-minded". He means "interested in only a narrow range of things", not "tolerant of only a narrow range of behaviour, intolerant of anything different". His analogy with someone who reads a car magazine only for the bits about racing cars makes that clear.

Yep, it's very clear, you're telling (not asking) all the so called "manly" skirt wearers to get out of Skirt Cafe as their "type" is not needed here any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't read peter v's comments like that at all. Quite the contrary, in fact.
He says "not all men are the same" and "There is enough for all on this forum".

I agree with Peter. If you want to discuss manly skirts, go ahead! If you want to discuss kilts, go ahead! There's even a "Kilts, Kilts" area especially for you. There is little traffic on this forum as it stands. There is plenty of room in it for all of us with all our differences. If we were to split into 2 or more forums, it would be all the more inconvenient for any of us who want to read all of them.

[Uncle Al]

Uncle Al wrote:

I understand, but, it may be best to throw your 'hat' in the
door when you come home.

Why did you say that?

Sapphire-----

This 'saying' comes from a friend ( now deceased ) long ago.
He was 'on-the-road' a lot with his job(early aviation*). He
said--"The sure-fire way to find out if your wife is mad at you
because you're gone all the time, is when you come home,
throw your hat in the door. If nothing comes flying at it,
then it is safe to go in".

Uncle Al
Duncanville, TX


*early aviation. Bob worked in the 'early years' of the airline
industry. His wife was served the first meal on an airplane.
This was for the publicity photos for In-flight meal service
on Eastern Airlines. (Now defunct)

[Big and Bashful]

Wow! quotes within quotes within quotes! where will it end? Yes there is/was The Atrium, there was also IMFF, sadly deceased due to endless spam. I think the Atrium was very 'broad minded'. I tried searching for the Atrium a couple of weeks ago, but couldn't find it, does anyone have a link or even know if it still lives? Oh, quotes can only go 3 deep. you live and learn. Never mind, I will post this without the quotes, I hope it still makes some sort of sense!