Can We Stop The Squabbling Please!
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Interesting! Quoting short parts of sentences? Narrow, out of context snippets are hardly helpful, especially when 'having a go' at someone ostensibly 'on your side'!
I've tried to politely address issues you've raised, but it doesn't help if you don't read through what's written before 'leaping in', guns blazin'. Then perhaps, you might think twice about writing ill-informed personal diatribe, like this:
OK! I'm intrigued! Why/How am I being "narrow minded" about events in southern Africa? Indeed, I'm very open-minded on the subject. We've friends/associates/colleagues from countries such as South Africa, Rhodesia, Nigeria, Uganda & Kenya, all with different tales to tell. Maximising one's sources gives a greater chance of understanding a little more about those very diverse countries. Same applies to life in general...........ziggy_encaoua wrote:Its not helpful that you're so narrow mindedIt really is not helpful to introduce such an emotive
Whoa, boy! You want to part-quote, and then hold forth on that part-quote? What I've stated (even in a selective quote!) is correct. There's no mysterious, or implied, "link", even if you are, erm, "narrow-minded" enough to represent it that way! The Atrium (as it became known later) was set up to cater for those who wished to include a wider spectrum of fashion interpretation than the majority wished to discuss - plain & simple! Err, who, apart from yourself(?), considers folk who think differently from themselves as being 'lesser men'? At no stage have I offered even a hint of an opinion in that direction - and, I'm not about to now. Sorry!ziggy_encaoua wrote:You're linking freestylers with transvestitism as I say just because a man dares to go further it does not mean he's any less of a man but you seem to wish paint otherwisethe "Fashion Freedom" advocates, left for the then brand new "Chris's Atrium" or one of the very many CD/TV forums
Mmnn, yes - and? What's your point, please?ziggy_encaoua wrote:Things change! Things evolve!Please bear in mind that the genesis of this current forum was to cater for blokes who merely wanted to exchange tr*user for skirt
I've tried to politely address issues you've raised, but it doesn't help if you don't read through what's written before 'leaping in', guns blazin'. Then perhaps, you might think twice about writing ill-informed personal diatribe, like this:
Do you honestly think you're the only person to judge what other folk should think - or discuss - or wear. That we must unthinkingly 'tolerate' your views, but not hold true to any of our own? The vitriol only seems to come from one side of the spectrum, young man. You might wish to reflect upon that, some time?ziggy_encaoua wrote: By the way Merlin rather then piss & whine, rather then trying to hijack these forums & turning into 'the bigoted skirt forums', why not start up your own discussion forum where men can discuss skirts & only the wearing of skirts or of course you learn to be a bit more tolerant towards others.
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Re: Can We Stop The Squabbling Please!
Seconded. Heartily. Stevie:ziggy_encaoua wrote:Merlin might not think so but you looked awesome Steve

And I'm one short step away from saying "screw it". The level of intolerence, near-sightedness, and overt bigotry recently displayed is beginning to turn even my normally strong stomach. There's already an "alternative" to SkirtCafe forming, although their basic premise at the moment seems to be (surprise), "Whom shall we exclude"; I suspect that once that takes hold I shall simply haul on the ejection levers and punch out. I am not amused. Not one bit.
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Don't be a twat all your lifeOK! I'm intrigued! Why/How am I being "narrow minded" about events in southern Africa? Indeed, I'm very open-minded on the subject. We've friends/associates/colleagues from countries such as South Africa, Rhodesia, Nigeria, Uganda & Kenya, all with different tales to tell. Maximising one's sources gives a greater chance of understanding a little more about those very diverse countries. Same applies to life in general...........
You know very well I was drawing comparisons between your attitude towards freestylers & the attitude of an apartheid regime.
The issue isn’t about my opinion I’ve no problem with the way you might choose to conduct yourself, the issue is that you’re having a tiz about others who might want to push the envelope further.Do you honestly think you're the only person to judge what other folk should think - or discuss - or wear. That we must unthinkingly 'tolerate' your views, but not hold true to any of our own?
Why should anybody who might take things further then you go anywhere, you’re the one with the problem.The Atrium (as it became known later) was set up to cater for those who wished to include a wider spectrum of fashion interpretation than the majority wished to discuss - plain & simple!
Why does it make you so insecure, why aren’t you able to be more tolerant of other?
Before you question my tolerance of your opinion let me make this very clear I will not tolerate those who aren’t tolerant of difference & diversity because such an attitude is bigoted & I find repugnant, an attitude which to me you’re sadly illustrating well.
I think rather pandering to bigoted view that you should have been told from the off that you’re the one with the problem & if its to much of a problem for you then there’s then leave.
As I say no freestyler as a problem with the way you conduct yourself but you seem to have a problem with freestylers.
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I hope that's not a reference to the forum I've just started I think you should know me better then thatI'm one short step away from saying "screw it". The level of intolerence, near-sightedness, and overt bigotry recently displayed is beginning to turn even my normally strong stomach. There's already an "alternative" to SkirtCafe forming, although their basic premise at the moment seems to be (surprise), "Whom shall we exclude";
As I say you're welcome to join, in fact I wish you would because I think you'll pretty cool
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If you're talking about this thread, I only see two people "Squabbling" (one of whom is the Poster who originally asked us to "stop the squabbling.")crfriend wrote:... I'm one short step away from saying "screw it". The level of intolerence, near-sightedness, and overt bigotry recently displayed is beginning to turn even my normally strong stomach....
I do think this thread needs the ministrations of Dr. Kevorkian....
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Yes, let's stop the squabbling. Let's stop it dead. But, in order to do so we need to re-read the banner at the top of each and every page at SkirtCafe. I will call into particular relief the statement: "We recognize a diversity of styles our members feel comfortable wearing, and do not exclude any potential choices."
I have watched this current spate of grief unfold -- ostensibly between "freestylers" and "bravehearts" -- and think that a review of the community's charter is in order for both of the main "combatants" in this thread, because it's less than just a "freestyle" vs. "braveheart" (bogus terms both, in my opinion) matter. It represents a fundamental breakdown of the basic demand for decency and respect that communities require to function properly.
To "Combatant 'A'": Your reasoning for how you attire yourself seems to have recently changed. At least you have been honest about the fact, and you are to be lauded for that. You have also always championed the notion that "We recognize a diversity of styles"; thank you for that. However, continuing a public fight is vanishingly rarely the way to solve problems.
To "Combatant 'B'": Your incessant refusal to understand that we are a complex and diverse community -- albeit small -- and your constant bullying of the populace to conform to your notion of "what is acceptable" is out of line; you fail to recognise the very diversity that makes the community vibrant and interesting. If you believe that the local community is "out of touch" with your ideals, it is incumbent upon you to decide whether this is the right community for you or not; the desires of the many override the prerogatives of the individual.
Finally, in closing, I ask that everybody (and that includes this author) re-read the basic mores that govern our "small town" (for that is what it amounts to). We need to refocus on basic civility, decency, respect, and dignity -- for without those, we are nothing but lunatics howling at the moon.
Yes, let's stop the squabbling. Let's stop it dead. But, in order to do so we need to re-read the banner at the top of each and every page at SkirtCafe. I will call into particular relief the statement: "We recognize a diversity of styles our members feel comfortable wearing, and do not exclude any potential choices."
I have watched this current spate of grief unfold -- ostensibly between "freestylers" and "bravehearts" -- and think that a review of the community's charter is in order for both of the main "combatants" in this thread, because it's less than just a "freestyle" vs. "braveheart" (bogus terms both, in my opinion) matter. It represents a fundamental breakdown of the basic demand for decency and respect that communities require to function properly.
To "Combatant 'A'": Your reasoning for how you attire yourself seems to have recently changed. At least you have been honest about the fact, and you are to be lauded for that. You have also always championed the notion that "We recognize a diversity of styles"; thank you for that. However, continuing a public fight is vanishingly rarely the way to solve problems.
To "Combatant 'B'": Your incessant refusal to understand that we are a complex and diverse community -- albeit small -- and your constant bullying of the populace to conform to your notion of "what is acceptable" is out of line; you fail to recognise the very diversity that makes the community vibrant and interesting. If you believe that the local community is "out of touch" with your ideals, it is incumbent upon you to decide whether this is the right community for you or not; the desires of the many override the prerogatives of the individual.
Finally, in closing, I ask that everybody (and that includes this author) re-read the basic mores that govern our "small town" (for that is what it amounts to). We need to refocus on basic civility, decency, respect, and dignity -- for without those, we are nothing but lunatics howling at the moon.
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