Kilt is a magic word.

[Damon]

When I was a little boy no self respecting woman would dare to wear trousers. But they were happy to wear slacks which were trousers for women.

The word 'Kilt' gives a man or a boy societal permission to wear a skirt. And it gives parents, schools, youth groups such as Scouts permission to require boys to wear skirts.

At the same time, some people pay a lot of money to perfect strangers to buy permission to wear a skirt. Several Designers such as Thom Browne will sell you a skirt for a man and permission to wear it for a mere few hundred or even thousand dollars.

58 years ago my then 4 year old son liked to wear boy's dresses after seeing another boy wearing one in Wimbledon Common. In the end, between the ages of 4 and 6 we bought him three boys dresses from the boys Department of Bentalls in Kingston, blue shirt waist style which came with matching underwear, a red polo style with a flared twirly skirt and something which buttoned up the back and looked indistinguishable from a girl's dress. But it must have been for boys because, like the others, it cost about four times more than a comparable dress for a girl from the other side of the aisle.

I saw an article in a womans magazine about party dresses for boys, just as fancy and aflare with petticoats as any party dress a parent might buy for their little girl for a few pounds. But these came with confirmation they were for boys with a price of over a hundred pounds.

I just spent a few minutes googling dresses for boys and found a blue shirtwaist dress almost identical to the one my son wore. It was also available in plaid. I found a few more including a wollen one that was really nice for cooler weather. They must have been for boys because the advertisements said they were, the designers had impressive foreign names and the prices were eye watering.

It is sad that males who want to wear skirts seem to feel they have to pay for permission or wear a kilt. Let's just call any skirt worn by a male a kilt. Who is to say it's not?

[Uncle Al]

When I was a little boy no self respecting woman would dare to wear trousers. But they were happy to wear slacks which
were trousers for women.

The word 'Kilt' gives a man or a boy societal permission to wear a skirt. And it gives parents, schools, youth groups such as Scouts permission to require boys to wear skirts.

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They must have been for boys because the advertisements said they were, the designers had impressive foreign names and
the prices were eye watering.(*)

It is sad that males who want to wear skirts seem to feel they have to pay for permission or wear a kilt. Let's just call any
skirt worn by a male a kilt. Who is to say it's not?

A perfect example of how to stop a group of people, from doing(wearing) something without making "A Law" against that
action. (* My emphasis, not the original poster.) PRICE IT HIGH, SO 95% OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT

Just my $.02 worth but have found, from experience, this concept works.

Uncle Al

[Damon]

I just had to add this link.

Designer Skirts for Men | Pleated & Denim | FARFETCH CA https://share.google/gPQh4r6scXEanobnE

Thom Browne will be happy to sell you a pleated denim skirt for men for a trifling $3,311.

[Uncle Al]

Designer Skirts for Men | Pleated & Denim | FARFETCH CA https://share.google/gPQh4r6scXEanobnE
Thom Browne will be happy to sell you a pleated denim skirt for men for a trifling $3,311.

Thanks for "The Link"

Proves my point about 'Pricing'



Uncle Al

[STEVIE]

The word 'Kilt' gives a man or a boy societal permission to wear a skirt. And it gives parents, schools, youth groups such as Scouts permission to require boys to wear skirts.

Magic which is black and based on ignorance and superstition.
We have been here before Damon and note this well, the "Kilt" is a skirted garment, it is not a society approved skirt which bestows any additional freedoms on men and boys.
I have said here before that it is the perfect pseudo skirt for those who are unable to wear the real thing and exercise all the freedom of choice that the imagination allows.
Steve.

[Damon]

We have been here before Damon and note this well, the "Kilt" is a skirted garment, it is not a society approved skirt which bestows any additional freedoms on men and boys.

A kilt is a skirt. To say it is not is like saying a car is not a vehicle. But try asking Google if it is okay for a parent to make a boy wear a skirt and you will get a resounding "No" and be told it may cause the boy future psychological problems. Ask again while changing only the word 'skirt' to 'kilt' and you will get a qualified 'Yes' it is alright to make a boy wear a kilt on certain occasions.

I believe that quite a lot of boys would like to experience wearing a skirt but family and society make it all but impossible. Though there have been occasions in the last few years when a number of boys have worn skirts to school in protest against one thing or another.

For boys to wear kilts is much more acceptable but still takes courage. I wore a kilt quite frequently when I was a boy and when asked why I found it easiest to say my parents made me. Which, apart from a very few rare occasions was not the case.

It takes a lot of courage for a male, young or old, to wear a skirted garment and anything which makes it easier, from calling it a kilt to paying an exhorbitant price for it to "My mother makes me" is fine. And to actually be made to wear it may be what many boys secretly wish even if they wouldn't admit that to themselves.

[Mouse]

I think the kilt is both empowering and limiting.

Early steps in wearing a skirt and being accepted by family can be assisted by the use of a kilt. However the kilt can also become the new "man in kilt" box, where it is the only type of skirt that you get to wear with acceptance. Now to some that is fine, but to others a box is a box.

For me, my kilts are useful for some situations, but limiting in others, however the same could now be said for my denim work skirts. Beware of boxes!!

[Myopic Bookworm]

For me, the kilt was a huge part of gaining confidence in wearing what I liked. It was a socially acceptable way of wearing a skirt, and I started in my mid 20s. I later branched out into plain coloured kilts. It was decades before I realised that society was allowing me to wear skirts only of one particular design, for no good reason.

[STEVIE]

A kilt is a skirt. To say it is not is like saying a car is not a vehicle.

I didn't say that it wasn't a skirt, here is what I did say.

The "Kilt" is a skirted garment, it is not a society approved skirt which bestows any additional freedoms on men and boys.

There is no freedom for anyone in having to justify their wish to clothe their body in a certain way nor rely on the permission of another person to do so either.
Furthermore, the "masculine" ethos associated with the kilt is based on a complete falsehood anyway.
Steve.

[Barleymower]

I think the kilt is both empowering and limiting.

Early steps in wearing a skirt and being accepted by family can be assisted by the use of a kilt. However the kilt can also become the new "man in kilt" box, where it is the only type of skirt that you get to wear with acceptance. Now to some that is fine, but to others a box is a box.

For me, my kilts are useful for some situations, but limiting in others, however the same could now be said for my denim work skirts. Beware of boxes!!

I actually came down to dinner in my wifes tiered skirt (she let me borrow it) but going outside was a different matter. So i bought a kilt here:

https://www.horror-shop.com/gb/p/short- ... white.html

Its not remotely a kilt but it does have belt loops and a little pouch to put you keys in.

Generally I would say steer clear of kilts or kilt like skirts. They are a dead end and proper skirts are a million times better.

I get really good reactions in the kilt. Everything from well done, look that mans wearing a kilt and up the scots! I felt like a complete fraud though because I love skirts and dresses.

[Barleymower]

A kilt is a skirt. To say it is not is like saying a car is not a vehicle.

I didn't say that it wasn't a skirt, here is what I did say.

The "Kilt" is a skirted garment, it is not a society approved skirt which bestows any additional freedoms on men and boys.

There is no freedom for anyone in having to justify their wish to clothe their body in a certain way nor rely on the permission of another person to do so either.
Furthermore, the "masculine" ethos associated with the kilt is based on a complete falsehood anyway.
Steve.

I appreciate that peoples circumstances are different. There's no law preventing men from dressing however they want.
I know I'm stating the obvious.

[crfriend]

I appreciate that peoples circumstances are different. There's no law preventing men from dressing however they want.
I know I'm stating the obvious.

However, pointing up that the unwritten laws can be a Hell of a lot more pernicious ones than the ones represented in screed are (1) uninterpretable and, thus (2) unenforceable save for extra-legal means as it reminds us that we're not just bound by legislated, and enforceable laws, but also by a host of others which are capricious, discriminatory, and entirely illegal, and which can get the stuffing beaten out of us in the wrong situations. In a decaying society, this is important to bear in mind. (Am I allowed to bring that up?)

[Barleymower]

I appreciate that peoples circumstances are different. There's no law preventing men from dressing however they want.
I know I'm stating the obvious.

However, pointing up that the unwritten laws can be a Hell of a lot more pernicious ones than the ones represented in screed are (1) uninterpretable and, thus (2) unenforceable save for extra-legal means as it reminds us that we're not just bound by legislated, and enforceable laws, but also by a host of others which are capricious, discriminatory, and entirely illegal, and which can get the stuffing beaten out of us in the wrong situations. In a decaying society, this is important to bear in mind. (Am I allowed to bring that up?)

You say whatever you want Carl. I may not agree with you though. I think it all comes down standing up for yourself. Standing up for yourself is easier said than done for some. It's easy when you are big and bad, not so easy when you are small or you have a lot to lose.

[sellek]

A Rose by any other name
I do have a variety of skirts but am commonly found in something denim, A line and about 25-26''long. On a number of occasions people have referred to my Denim Skirt as a kilt. I guess they are using the word kilt to 'get their head around' the idea of a many wearing a non bifurcated lower garment. So in effect what they are saying is that a non bifurcated garment worn by a lady is called a skirt and a non-bifurcated garment worn by a man is called a klit.
In effect they are saying that the words 'skirt' and '' kilt'' refer as much to the wearer as they do to the nature of the garment.
I live in North Devon where the dress style is agricultural/rural casual/beach/surfing, as such a man in a skirt does not seem to cause too much of a stir and I seem to be pretty well accepted . If some people have justified their acceptance by calling my skirts kilts, well that's fine by me, ''a rose by any other name''.

[crfriend]

I think it all comes down standing up for yourself. Standing up for yourself is easier said than done for some. It's easy when you are big and bad, not so easy when you are small or you have a lot to lose.

That's a decent start on the general issue. I have no problem with standing up to perceived problems, and I am neither "big" (in the classic sense) nor "bad". And I welcome conversation on topics, including those that others may find troubling.

But, very frequently, we find ourselves derailed over the "unwritten laws" that we just "tolerate" "because they've always been there" -- and that is no reason whatsoever to do anything. And so it becomes important to throw the "old thinking" out if it no longer serves us well. "Men do not wear skirts!" is a great example of obsolete thinking; it's time to do away with it. Unfortunately, this will upset lots of folks, some of whom have altogether too much power.