Corona Virus

[Sinned]

Here's another article on a covid antiviral pill https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/u ... li=BBoPWjQ.

[Gusto10]

Gusto,

So you’re hesitant because you meet people at a bar who don’t know any more than you do. Civil servants - not scientists. And based on these - opinions- you are hesitant about taking a vaccine which is proven to reduce Covid deaths, reduce the spread of the virus, and whose side effects are less risky than catching Covid.

Despite all the evidence - around the world - from multiple scientific sources - you ignore that. You speak to people in a bar and you believe whatever they say. Whatever they say.

Do you have any idea how that makes you look? Do you believe that your views retain any credibility?

Carl - I think we have a busted flush here. Laugh, ignore, move on.

Ray, the "bar" is comparible to e.g. the Travelers in London UK or the City Club in Washington DC. The people with whom I converse their, are to advisors of the government, many with a medical background.

[Kirbstone]

How's your proof-reading, Gusto?

Tom

[Gusto10]

How's your proof-reading, Gusto?

Tom

Doing fine Tom, thanks for asking.
I'm only a bit fed up with prejudice.

Just this weekend an interesting article in one of the newspapers I read concerning the origin.

[crfriend]

How's your proof-reading, Gusto?

Doing fine Tom, thanks for asking.

Their's just a small problem with it. English as a second language, I suppose.

Just this weekend an interesting article in one of the newspapers I read concerning the origin.

Of course the third shooter on the grassy knoll had it and introduced it to the world.

[Sinned]

I've noticed in the media lately a change in tack over the covid virus from vaccine research to alleviation of symptoms. Producing drugs that ensure, after contracting covid, survival, the interval between contacting and relief shortened and the effects lessened. Thus being able to halve the time to release and so on. I posted one article on this but I have noticed others. It does still seem that vaccination is still a vital first step. Well, it may seem harsh but the more anti-vaxxers that die the better as fewer around to spread their vile propaganda. It's just a shame that they tie up so much in resources in doing so.

As to the origin, it was in China and we will probably never know the circumstances never mind the blame. To me it's academic, there are others who can worry about it. I have much more pressing concerns in filling my car with petrol, hoping the supermarkets still have supplies[0] and hoping I don't have to take out a loan to pay my electricity an gas bills.

[0] Including food and litter for our cats. Sorry I missed this comment out.

[Gusto10]

English as a second language, I suppose.

In my case, only one of four (all Anglo Saxon variations to be considered as one).
And I'm aware of the difference in idiom between American. Irish, Queens English, etc.

[Gusto10]

As to the origin, it was in China and we will probably never know the circumstances never mind the blame. To me it's academic, there are others who can worry about it.

Knowing the cause is essential to finding a good cure.

[Sinned]

gusto, we know the cause - the virus. What we don't know is how the virus was formed, where from, bat or not, and if it was a lab how it emerged, deliberately or not. Anyway this is academic and for other experts and may have been covered up by data deletion for us never to find out. What is of more immediate concern, and independent of its source, is how we limit its effects and progress is being made on this starting with the vaccine. It is what it is and we deal with that. Your move.

[Gusto10]

gusto, we know the cause - the virus. What we don't know is how the virus was formed, where from, bat or not, and if it was a lab how it emerged, deliberately or not. Anyway this is academic and for other experts and may have been covered up by data deletion for us never to find out. What is of more immediate concern, and independent of its source, is how we limit its effects and progress is being made on this starting with the vaccine. It is what it is and we deal with that. Your move.

I've had the infection and due to a good constitution, no problem. So I'm immuun and belong to a category most times forgotten in the discussion.

[Sinned]

gusto, nobody is completely immune. Even someone double vaccinated could get it and have and rarely died. So no, sorry to dispel your little bubble, but you're not. The vaccine means that if you do get covid the effects should be milder. If you've had it and the effects were mild then you were lucky.

Incidentally there is now a test to detect covid from a saliva sample.

[Coder]

Incidentally there is now a test to detect covid from a saliva sample.

That’s the kind of testing they do at my university (it’s part of their asymptomatic testing program). I think the tests we get were developed by researchers at the U, or through some sort of partnership. They consider it for asymptomatic cases - anyone showing symptoms goes through a different process, which may still be the tried and true brain poke.

[crfriend]

It's also possible to pick up traces of the virus from municipal sewage, and that's been used in a few US cities to plot the virus with quite a bit of accuracy. This shows some efficacy of predicting outbreaks.

In my case, only one of four (all Anglo Saxon variations to be considered as one).
And I'm aware of the difference in idiom between American. Irish, Queens English, etc.

Typos are one thing. Selecting an incorrect word is orders of magnitude worse. How are your proofreading skills?

Enough conspiracy theory!

[Coder]

It's also possible to pick up traces of the virus from municipal sewage, and that's been used in a few US cities to plot the virus with quite a bit of accuracy. This shows some efficacy of predicting outbreaks.

They are doing that too, and they claim it correlates with our positivity rate. However, our rate is so so low, our cases so low, that I don’t see how it is statistically meaningful… but they get to play with their spreadsheets, and maybe some new tech or innovation will come from this.

[Gusto10]

Some thoughts.

When I initiated this thread I had hoped it would become a dialogue on the virus that has become a part of out lives, thus that we could share knwoledge and experiences. It's sad to see that for some prejudice is more important and thus that a respectfull dialogue isn't possible. At times remarks have become personal and under the belt with non motivated arguments. Especially someone who is not only a member of SC but holds a position as barman, should, in my humble opinion, be able to retain objectivity and should be aware not to cause agitation.
I still think that this subject is of importance, taking into consideration that the combined threads on this subject have a total of close to 30000 views. I have tried, not being a moderator, to caution on freedom of speech and thought, a message that hasn't come through.
I do hope that the dialogue will become one based on mutual respect.
Gaslighting should be a no-no. So stop the bashing and be more prudent with your remarks.