Kilt versus Skirt.

[brucewilliam]

ladies are generally supposed to use petticoats in addition to bloomers below
their own dresses, or else they may be regarded free in addition to immoral.

Gothic Skirts

[Chris Webb]

I've been a full time mugsman for almost 10 years and much has changed regarding the kilts vrs skirts debate ... the biggest change is that of the society outside of the kilt/skirt community. Basically the definition of 'kilt' has changed to this: any skirt worn on a man in a masculine way. I wear lots of denim skirts and even my girlfriend has taken to calling my 'skirts' kilts. Just tonight the gal at the cash register at Hobby Lobby said she really, really liked my kilt ... and I'm wearing a denim wrap 15" skirt!

My experience also confirms what someone else pointed out: denim and cammo skirt don't raise any eyebrows anymore. Guys, the key to skirting with out any negative experiences is to keep it masculine and keep it confident ... society has not yet accepted feminine skirts on men, not yet.

Kilt ON!

[Wesley]

The few occasions when I've gone skirted in populated areas, I've noticed far less reaction when I'm wearing a pleated tartan skirt (I think of it as a pseudo-kilt) than any other type of skirt. I don't own an authentic, official made-for-a-man kilt - they're too expensive and too short for my taste and use. Nevertheless my wife is concerned that the buckle might be on the wrong side, or the garment might be too long for me to go in public in a "woman's kilt". Her response to a recent purchase that is in every way a kilt, (except it's 28" long) is "Well it's still a woman's skirt"!

[crfriend]

Her response to a recent purchase that is in every way a kilt, (except it's 28" long) is "Well it's still a woman's skirt"!

The only possible retort to that would be, "It's not a woman's skirt, it's my skirt."

[dillon]

Amen, bro. If a man owns and wears it, it's a man's skirt.

[Wesley]

Her response to a recent purchase that is in every way a kilt, (except it's 28" long) is "Well it's still a woman's skirt"!

The only possible retort to that would be, "It's not a woman's skirt, it's my skirt."

Oh I've used that line.

If course the point is that men may wear a certain style of skirt on certain occasions, and if a man deviates from those particular styles or occasions he is considerd to be wearing a woman's skirt.

In reading about the making and the wearing of "the kilt" I'm struck with the tyrany of Scottish kilt culture. Even trousers are allowed more variation in length or amount of cloth or pockets and fasteners than the kilt - which becomes a woman's garment rather than an expression of bold masculinity when it does not touch the top of the knee or deviates in some other way from the authorized standard.

[crfriend]

In reading about the making and the wearing of "the kilt" I'm struck with the tyrany of Scottish kilt culture. Even trousers are allowed more variation in length or amount of cloth or pockets and fasteners than the kilt - which becomes a woman's garment rather than an expression of bold masculinity when it does not touch the top of the knee or deviates in some other way from the authorized standard.

That's one of the primary reasons I have resisted getting a Real Kilt for all these years -- too darned many rules that if one accidentally violates be automatically becomes a cross-dresser.

I found it easier to directly counter the notion of "cross-dressing" than continually worrying about it. "Hit the problem head on", as it were.

[Caultron]

To me, a kilt is just about anything that's:

• waist-high,
  wraparound,
  apron in front
  pleated back and sides,
  single leg holed

But even that's got some leeway.

And acceptance of kilts, by that definition, does seem more general than of skirts originally made for women.

That's one of the primary reasons I have resisted getting a Real Kilt for all these years -- too darned many rules that if one accidentally violates be automatically becomes a cross-dresser.

I'm not sure how wearing a near-kilt could be closer to cross-dressing than wearing a skirt designed expressly for women. Am I missing something?

[crfriend]

I'm not sure how wearing a near-kilt could be closer to cross-dressing than wearing a skirt designed expressly for women. Am I missing something?

It's down to the Kilt Police having a very narrow view of the "Rules and Regulations" of The Wearing Of The Kilt. One strays outside those at his peril (not of life-and-limb, mind, but rather one of ridicule).

[Wesley]

I'm not sure how wearing a near-kilt could be closer to cross-dressing than wearing a skirt designed expressly for women. Am I missing something?

It's down to the Kilt Police having a very narrow view of the "Rules and Regulations" of The Wearing Of The Kilt. One strays outside those at his peril (not of life-and-limb, mind, but rather one of ridicule).

An inch below the knee and you're cross dressing otherwise your wearing a man's kilt.

[skirtyscot]

The kilt was in danger of becoming fossilised, with its too-strict rules. The recent rise of casual kilts has gone the kilt a new lease of life. Certainly, mine is recognised by all as a kilt and it wins most people's approval. I think that, here in Scotland at any rate, people like to see a man in a kilt and applaud him for not being trousered like every other guy is.

But that still restricts a man to items which meet Caultron's criteria (and are knee-length as well). Well stuff that for a game of soldiers! I want a rather wider choice.

[Caultron]

It's down to the Kilt Police having a very narrow view of the "Rules and Regulations" of The Wearing Of The Kilt. One strays outside those at his peril (not of life-and-limb, mind, but rather one of ridicule).

Who are these, "kilt police," of whom you speak? Because I don't think I've ever seen one...

I mean, if you're competing in a piper's contest or a fife and drum event, yeah, I could see where faithfulness to tradition might count. But for spending the afternoon running errands around town, realistically, what's gonna happen?

And I still don't see how wearing, "almost a kilt," is more cross-dressing than wearing a skirt that's not a kilt at all.

[Sarongman]

I don't know if anyone remembers the Royal Wedding----no not the pommy lot, but the one where Mary of Tasmania wed Prince Frederic of Denmark. One of her uncles, to my better half's disgust, wore a mini kilt.( from memory it's hem came to about 2 to 3 inches above the knee) I thought nothing of it but "B" thought it unseemly and disrespectful. It was, in all respects, other than length, a perfectly put together kilt outfit.

[couyalair]

Seems to be the usual length to me.
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Martin

[couyalair]

My first kilt was a little too long. I suppose my parents thought I might grow some more -- at 19 ?

For my second kilt, I was measured in the shop, but when it was delivered, it turned out to be much too short and had to be sent back. Their third attempt was about the "right" length, but unfortunately not as good a qualty as the first two.

Since then, I think each successive kilt has been a little shorter than the previous, and I'm now used to having my knees fully exposed, which I find quite comfortable. How I regret now not having kept that mini kilt !

Martin