On crossdressing

Discussion of fashion elements and looks that are traditionally considered somewhat "femme" but are presented in a masculine context. This is NOT about transvestism or crossdressing.

Re: On crossdressing

Postby Ray » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:24 pm

Yes, I remember that schism well. It caused a split in the Cafe with a separate group being set up. Still, we are all here. Well, some of us....
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby skirtyscot » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:09 pm

Derek Plattis wrote:If I buy a blouse from a women's clothes store it is likely to have bust tucks in it and be made to fit a women's figure ...


True of some styles, which is perhaps why they are less popular among men than skirts are, and why this is not Blousecafe.

Derek Plattis wrote:... and to appeal to women's sense of fashion and style.


Well that's entirely subjective. Boys of course have any nascent sense of fashion individuality exorcised from them by the age of 5.

Derek Plattis wrote:Women's skirts are made with their wider hips in mind and so on.


Many skirts are designed to sit on the hips, so the waist:hip ratio does not matter. Most of mine are like that: I have slender hips.

Derek Plattis wrote:... when I wear them , I can be said to be cross-dressing. Wearing wigs, makeup, false boobs and so on in order to try to look like a woman is what I understand to be transvestism.


I very much doubt that many people could tell you that, if they cared about the distinction in the first place. A bit like what's the difference between buying something which is exempt from VAT and something which has 0% VAT on it? (For the benefit of non-EU types, VAT is our sales tax.) Most folk would think " If it walks like a duck ..."
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby moonshadow » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:22 pm

skirtyscot wrote:
Derek Plattis wrote:If I buy a blouse from a women's clothes store it is likely to have bust tucks in it and be made to fit a women's figure ...


True of some styles, which is perhaps why they are less popular among men than skirts are, and why this is not Blousecafe.

This is true, however remember that not all women are big busted. There are a lot of females out there who are frankly flat chested and it's not hard to find female tops that accommodate flat chested women, which by the way work on men, who tend to be somewhat flat chested by comparison. Just as there are women who don't have large breast, there are also men who don't have broad shoulders. Everyone's different. I just happen to have a torso shape that seems to work better in women's tops, at least to my taste anyway. But I've seen my share of men that it just won't work on.

skirtyscot wrote:
Derek Plattis wrote:... and to appeal to women's sense of fashion and style.


Well that's entirely subjective. Boys of course have any nascent sense of fashion individuality exorcised from them by the age of 5.

Very true. It's all the result of the arbitrary evolution of human civilization. In an alternate universe, it could very well be the men wearing the dainty lace and the women wearing the grease monkey coveralls! Really it could have simply started with Moses saying "men shall be submissive to women in all matters, so sayeth the Lord", and history as we know it would be VASTLY different!

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Derek Plattis wrote:Women's skirts are made with their wider hips in mind and so on.


Many skirts are designed to sit on the hips, so the waist:hip ratio does not matter. Most of mine are like that: I have slender hips.

Yep... 36inches is 36 inches anyway you measure it! Same as any other measurement!

*Hows THAT for good quoting! Na-na-na-na... na-na.. na-na... can't touch this... -tissssssss :lol:
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby crfriend » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:13 pm

moonshadow wrote:Really it could have simply started with Moses saying "men shall be submissive to women in all matters, so sayeth the Lord", and history as we know it would be VASTLY different!

Nope, it would have been "Misses" instead. God wouldn't bother passing the gospel down to an inferior. :twisted:
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby moonshadow » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:49 am

crfriend wrote:Nope, it would have been "Misses" instead. God wouldn't bother passing the gospel down to an inferior. :twisted:


Ah well... I stand corrected! :wink:
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Derek Plattis » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:53 am

Glad to see my previous post here sparked off such discussion!

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Re: On crossdressing

Postby crfriend » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:34 pm

moonshadow wrote:Ah well... I stand corrected! :wink:

I'm glad to see that the crack didn't set off a fire-storm. It was written entirely tongue-in-cheek.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby WesleyN » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:48 pm

It's all confusing. I thought, that is always said, a crossdresser is someone who is dressed as the opposite gender. As man you looks like a woman. It is the same transvestite without sexual feelings. But who cares.

For me I wear clothes because it's nice clothes. And I wear only clothes because I like the clothes. Not because I feel more feminine. I think that is the best reason for wearing clothes. You feel good in clothes you like.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Fred in Skirts » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:38 pm

WesleyN wrote:For me I wear clothes because it's nice clothes. And I wear only clothes because I like the clothes. Not because I feel more feminine. I think that is the best reason for wearing clothes. You feel good in clothes you like.


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Re: On crossdressing

Postby oldsalt1 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:50 pm

WesleyN wrote:It's all confusing. I thought, that is always said, a crossdresser is someone who is dressed as the opposite gender. As man you looks like a woman. It is the same transvestite without sexual feelings. But who cares.

For me I wear clothes because it's nice clothes. And I wear only clothes because I like the clothes. Not because I feel more feminine. I think that is the best reason for wearing clothes. You feel good in clothes you like.



I agree with you I wear the skirts and now dresses not because I want to look like a women but because I like the way they feel and I feel good wearing them.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby jjjjohanne » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:42 pm

I am a man who likes to wear "women's clothes". I like the look, the feel, the sounds, the breezes, the tight things, the loose things, etc. I present male and behave male when I do. I am the same guy I am in pants. I do try to walk, when out in a skirt, the way I walk when I am out in a suit or tuxedo, smoothly and with less cowboy jestures. I am not a female in side. I am not interested in being perceived as a woman. I am not expressing my femininity. I am just a man in clothes.

Some might call what I do "crossdressing". I have over the years accepted that. I really do not care what it is called. I just want to wear these clothes and be treated with respect by whomever I encounter. I do not care whether other men wear no women's wear, mixed men's wear and women's wear, or 100% women's wear.

So, whether it is called "crossdressing" or "fashion freestyling" changes nothing... except my macho defense mechanisms. If I feel like someone else thinks, "He's gay," or "He's effeminate," or "He's a sissy," because of my dress or a term associated with me, I get a little defensive. "Grunt Grunt, I'm all man!" I respond inside.

I'm just me. I wear pretty clothes.
We're just us. We wear what we like.
Let's leave the macho hang-ups back in middle school where they possibly originated.

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Re: On crossdressing

Postby skirtyscot » Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:12 pm

Welcome, jjjj! Sounds like you should fit in just fine here.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby moonshadow » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:55 am

jjjjohanne wrote:I'm just me. I wear pretty clothes.
We're just us. We wear what we like.
Let's leave the macho hang-ups back in middle school where they possibly originated.


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Re: On crossdressing

Postby denimini » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:29 am

A lot of good sense .... and fun in these recent posts.
I also like colourful and pretty things, they are cheerful and can be so much fun, unlike traditional "men swear". I have a mohair jumper (pull-over, sweater) that is teal with blue .... and primrose too, that makes me feel warm in winter just looking at it.
Although a beard and hairy legs puts paid to any CD speculation, I still avoid wearing some clothes I would like for no better reason than I am not as brave as some here, but have progressed so far to wearing a 14" mini almost everywhere.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby dillon » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:27 am

I've never had any appreciation for the term "crossdresser" because it infers the idea that there are men's clothes, and there are women's clothes, and ne'er the twain shall meet. If I own the clothes they are MINE, not some woman's. I find the term derogatory and reject it. Additionally, it does carry the traditional image of a closeted man trying on his wife's undies. I dress as I please, and openly; I am a man; I do not wish to identify as a woman; therefore it is not "crossdressing."
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