On crossdressing

Discussion of fashion elements and looks that are traditionally considered somewhat "femme" but are presented in a masculine context. This is NOT about transvestism or crossdressing.

Re: On crossdressing

Postby kilty » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:35 pm

oldsalt1 wrote:Simply put, Except for the extremes of wearing wigs makeup etc. cross dressing is a result of labels. If you are a man and wear clothing marked "ladies" you can be called a cross dresser. A man wearing a kilt
is not labeled a cross dresser because the kilt was made for a man. The same man wearing a skirt same length etc is a cross dresser because it came from the ladies rack. Its very simple ( RIGHT) all we have to do is to get the manufacturer to size and label these very same skirts as men's and the problem will go away.

Yet women buy "boyfriend" jeans, made to look like men's yet no one says anything about them "cross dressing"... I like kilts (the various tartans, yet hate the inevitable 'are you Scottish' questions), and pencil skirts, increasingly denim as well as dark coloured such as navy or black. Skirts and kilts feel more comfortable than trousers as there's more room for, ahem, manoeuvre :roll: pencil skirts are not hard to manage as all of mine have a slit at the back. We all have different styles but to Joe Public, skirt=female, even kilts to some, but you cannot reason with some stupid folk who would make it an issue 8)
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Caultron » Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:20 pm

Most (if not all) of us here want to wear skirts, but only a few are willing to be labeled even 1% crossdressers.

It's not something I worry about.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby phathack » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:36 pm

oldsalt1 wrote:Simply put, Except for the extremes of wearing wigs makeup etc. cross dressing is a result of labels. If you are a man and wear clothing marked "ladies" you can be called a cross dresser. A man wearing a kilt
is not labeled a cross dresser because the kilt was made for a man. The same man wearing a skirt same length etc is a cross dresser because it came from the ladies rack. Its very simple ( RIGHT) all we have to do is to get the manufacturer to size and label these very same skirts as men's and the problem will go away.


What you call and extreme is exactly what I call Cross Dressing, its dressing in a way to present yourself as a member of the opposite sex.

Just because my jeans come from a women's store and not a men's store does not mean I'm a cross dresser. Sometimes I prefer to wear a nice skirt in place of slacks when I go out for the evening, I don't consider that cross dressing and neither do any of the people I hang out with when out socializing.


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Re: On crossdressing

Postby oldsalt1 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:21 am

Sorry you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I agree that the extremes wigs and makeup is cross dressing. What I meant was that we are being accused of being cross dressers because a part of society judges us by the labels that are on what we as men choose to wear. I wear skirts and by no means do I consider myself a cross dresser.

When I said the same man wearing a skirt is a cross dresser. I meant he may be called a cross dresser simply because of the label on the clothes

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Re: On crossdressing

Postby moonshadow » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:52 am

It's interesting that flickr has been brought up on this thread as it touches on a subject matter that had occurred to me a few weeks ago.

If one browses flickr groups, one is sure to find hundreds of them for "crossdressers" and transgender people, there are also a few for "men in skirts", and the like. I participate in a few of them. When you browse the content in the "men in skirts" groups, you can see clearly men who dress in women's clothing, yet still want to identify as a man, likewise, there are lots of crossdresser groups (to which I don't think I belong to any), when you browse them, you can see that these people are making a big effort to pass as a woman.

...there IS a difference!

On my own albums, many "fave" photo's that I post with me in my various skirting attire, however many times, when I click their account to see what they post on their accounts, I normally find photo's of typical crossdressing.

Frankly, crossdressing photo's do not interest me. But I will "fave" and "follow" members all day long that post non-sexual photos of men expressing their fashion freedom, even it it goes past skirts and into dresses, tights, shoes, and other accessories.

I even had to leave a group called "Androgynous" as I thought it would be a group more for androgynous members to post pictures of themselves, not really male nor female, yet over the last few months, it seemed to turn into just another crossdressing group, with everyone presenting as kinky females..... I exited stage left.

Caultron runs a good one that I enjoy browsing, and there are a few others that are good for "men in skirts" looks.

Likewise there are some members that post good photos of men in skirts...

Men wearing skirts or kilts

Men in skirts or and kilts

Ignoring the gender of fashion labels - Note: I notice the latest five or six photos are getting somewhat "crossdressy". If you scroll down, you will see actual poses of men presenting as men.... Hopefully the group won't turn into another crossdressing group.

Breaking femme fashion for men taboo - This one is a little border line. Some good shots of men in skirts etc, however the last few weeks seems to be getting overrun with Pandora jewelry shots and I see Yanka sekova has visited. Nothing against her, but when she starts plastering a group, I normally set sail..... AGAIN- no offense to her (don't know if anyone here is friends with her), but those kind of shots are just not my cup of tea... nothing personal.

Man in skirt, why not? - This one doesn't have a lot of content, and doesn't seem to have a lot of active users, but it's a nice little group all the same. It seems to be all men, no crossdressers which is cool.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Bamaskirting » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:56 am

I've got on trouble here about the crossdressing label. I don't see a big deal. We all want to be accepted for what we want to wear
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Pdxfashionpioneer » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:27 am

True that Bama.

I've only had a couple friends tell me I was "crossdressing" until I told them I didn't look at it that way and explained why. It was clear they only said that about me because they felt they needed a label and it was the only one they were familiar with.

Most people don't seem to worry about labelling me and just compliment me on my fashion sense. And to point made by the fellow who suggested we all stick to kneesocks and men's shoes, I always wear pantyhose and shoes from the women's department because men's shoes just don't work with skirts, let alone dresses!
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Bamaskirting » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:19 am

Pdxfashionpioneer wrote:True that Bama.

I've only had a couple friends tell me I was "crossdressing" until I told them I didn't look at it that way and explained why. It was clear they only said that about me because they felt they needed a label and it was the only one they were familiar with.

Most people don't seem to worry about labelling me and just compliment me on my fashion sense. And to point made by the fellow who suggested we all stick to kneesocks and men's shoes, I always wear pantyhose and shoes from the women's department because men's shoes just don't work with skirts, let alone dresses!


yep. true about shoes. maybe skater shoes which is what i wear. i know i'm a crossdresser but i id totally as a male in whatever i'm wearing
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby skirted_in_SF » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:42 am

Pdxfashionpioneer wrote:I always wear pantyhose and shoes from the women's department because men's shoes just don't work with skirts, let alone dresses!

I don't wear pantyhose, preferring knee socks, but I agree with you on the shoes. :)
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Charlie » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:12 pm

Sorry to lower the tone of this thread - I saw the edited lowlights of the last Trump/Clinton debate on the BBC news yesterday. It occured to me that I've never seen Hilary Clinton in a dress or skirt; if elected, will she be the first cross-dressing US president? :mrgreen:
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby crfriend » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:16 pm

Yep. Dubya in drag.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Caultron » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:35 pm

moonshadow wrote:...If one browses flickr groups, one is sure to find hundreds of them for "crossdressers" and transgender people, there are also a few for "men in skirts", and the like. I participate in a few of them. When you browse the content in the "men in skirts" groups, you can see clearly men who dress in women's clothing, yet still want to identify as a man, likewise, there are lots of crossdresser groups (to which I don't think I belong to any), when you browse them, you can see that these people are making a big effort to pass as a woman.

...there IS a difference!...

...Caultron runs a good one that I enjoy browsing...

Men wearing skirts or kilts...

Guilty, that's my Flickr group all right, and I moderate it, meaning that when people post photos to the group, I have to approve or reject them before they appear.

One of my criteria -- and perhaps one that differentiates men-in-skirts from crossdressers in general -- is that I don't allow wigs or padded bras. The group is not about men impersonating women, but about men wearing a comfortable garment that, despite all efforts, is more often worn by women.

Sadly, though, there are far more wig-and-falsies photos on Flickr than men-in-skirt photos. We remain a rare breed.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Gusto10 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:49 pm

It's Always good to look at the origin of a concept. Crossdressing was coined as frase by the first full fledged psychiatrists ( Binet, Jung) which also devlloped an instument nowadays found often with women for pleasure but in first instance to treat hystrics. Present day psychologists do no longer consider wearing what was once normal for the gender but now used by the other gender as a form of xdressing.
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby crfriend » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:29 pm

Gusto10 wrote:Present day psychologists do no longer consider wearing what was once normal for the gender but now used by the other gender as a form of xdressing.

Has the DSM struck the notion entirely or does it still soldier on with the limitation that "the condition must cause distress to the individual involved", and has the singular application of the "diagnosis" been rendered as applicable to both sexes/genders?
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Re: On crossdressing

Postby Darryl » Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:43 am

While I have made an occasional exception I generally don't post photos on my Pinterest if the guy is presenting as female, sometimes that is simply wearing heels - stiletto most usually.

I'm probably going to go through existing boards and 'cull the herd' a wee bit if I have changed my mind about a photo or included something while in a flurry of adding new photos.

And as I noted on at least one board, I have included some women in outfits I thought would work for men or would even wear myself. My sources have improved over time. :)
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