Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

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Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby WesleyN » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:26 pm

I have found a link on another Forum. It is what my daughter asked to me: Why can women wear pants, dresses and skirts and why have to wear man only pants? She knows me in a skirt or dress. That's why she asked to me this question.
The link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7JHYA0krl4&feature=youtu.be
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby crfriend » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:21 pm

WesleyN wrote:[My daughter] asked to me this question.
The link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7JHYA0krl4&feature=youtu.be

Well, that was eleven minutes and some seconds I could possibly have spent better, but I really can't think of anything at the moment because I've still got a fit of the giggles from watching it. OK, the F-word got bandied about a little bit, but that happens in real life, and I got a chance to sharpen my Strine ("Australian") a little bit which only sounds somewhat like English.

In any event, the lads hit many of the high points that we gripe about, even if both of them were in "male drab". We, on the other hand, grab the bull by a soft piece of anatomy and sally forth in our "unconventional garb". Both approaches have merit. Humour is, quite perhaps, one of the most powerful tools in the arsenal of language and creativity; and overt action proves beyond a doubt that something is possible.

Hopefully, some day, some-when, when a guy dons a skirt he won't get questioned about his sexuality. I'm waiting patiently for it, even if the clock seems a bit long in the tooth. (As my 90-year-old grandmother commented back in 2003 waiting patiently for the Boston (MA/USA) Red Sox baseball team to win another World Series, "At my age, one gets a bit ... impatient." They won in 2004 and she was gone before the year was out. Impatient, indeed, having waited for all those years.)
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby Sinned » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:38 pm

Well WesneyN, the answer is that we can wear a dress/skirt or any other of the traditionally women's garb. Familial opposition aside which does complicate the situation there's only one person stopping us wearing such items of clothing and that's ourselves. I'm not that much into dresses as my internal sense of gender reconditioning is still a work in progress but I wear skirts as often as I can. I wear strappy tops and so on, some with MOH's consent and some with her begrudging consent.
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby WesleyN » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:29 pm

The only reason when I don't wear a skirt is just for my own family (my wife and daughter). When my comes or some of my friends. I don't mind if they see me in a skirt. And when I'm alone abroad then I'm always wear a skirt. It's the situation who say I will wear a skirt or a jeans. I wear also dresses who looks like a longshirt. And some I can wear it over a skinny jeans. My longshirt is than a some longershirt. No problem...
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby Caultron » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:41 pm

Have you discussed it with your family?

Do they know?

Have they seen you go out?

Have they strongly rejected your skirt-wearing or are you just afraid they will?
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby WesleyN » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:48 pm

I know what my wife think. She is very clear in her emotions... meaning. She can't say anymore my daughter will tell it to someone, because she doesn't. And she knows why. And I think her first reason will be: Mama doesn't want it. My daughter loves me very much.
But I do it for my daughter. I will not go in skirt in my own area. She's 9 years old and there are a lot of children in our neighbourhood. I have a lot of moments, when I can wear skirts. And I will take every moment. So the most of the time I wear something like a skirt. But it will fine if I can wear it, when I want and not when I can.
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby Caultron » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:27 pm

Well, that's your choice, of course.

It's interesting, though, that lots of children grow up these days in non-traditional families. Their parents may be divorced, for example, or gay, or in jail, or nudists, or living with someone in an unmarried relationship, and in general those kids turn out OK.

Would they turn out better growing up in a traditional happy mom, happy dad family? Maybe, but nobody knows for sure. And growing up in a combative family is no good either.

Don't take this as pressure, though. I only mention it as an interesting thought.
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby WesleyN » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:47 pm

The problem is often that we make it ourselves and each other difficult. There is too few understandness to each other. Let people be who they are. And accept that. We're all different.

Yes it is probably too confusion for much people. People want what they used to be. Married - two kids. A house and a garden. Clear and organized. And there are gays, transgenders, divorced people, punks and gothics. We can put it in a box. But a man who where a skirt without brests and make-up. I never see them in the wild. And if you see him. Help what is that? That's difficult?! What is that a strange kind of man?! How could you describe it?

I have never seen a relative. At festivals, there are men walking around in a skirt. But is that a real one? Some people do think that I do it for show. Hey people Look what I dare. But for me it's the reason that I find it beautiful clothes and I just love to wear that. But other people see that I wear it for other reasons and not for the show.
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby Caultron » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:54 pm

Two thoughts you might consider:

If someone doesn't like what you're wearing, it's their problem, not yours.

So often, we are prisoners of our own device.
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby WesleyN » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:00 pm

I like your way of writing without judging. Yeah you don't know someones background. You don't know nu background.

But you let me think about nu situation. It's difficult and complex. A lot of feelings and tactics what do I have to do. Of course is of not really my problem what I wear. Nut I have to live with nu wife.

It is how do you get her accepts me who I am. Sounds strange. Your own wife have to learn accepting jus husband.
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby Sinned » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:21 pm

You can't MAKE her accept your new choice in clothing. My wife doesn't say anything when I wear a skirt around the house but I know that she disapproves of me wearing them so often and hates me wearing them outside. I have accepted that this may never change with her but I just try not to antagonise her too much. You may just have to accept the same. This afternoon I had on a sleeveless purple top with narrow shoulder straps that came from the women's side of the store and she said, "So you aren't wearing a skirt so you are wearing women's tops instead." I said, "This is a sleeveless top, neither man's nor woman's." I don't think that she was convinced. My commiserations. :(

It's my birthday tomorrow and I'm not at work and Sunday is Father's Day. My intention is to wear a different skirt each day all day, whether I go out or not. I know that my wife will put up a LOT of opposition but they are MY day and I should be able to spend it however I choose and wear whatever I want. I suspect that if I put my foot down firmly that I may be in for a very lonely two days. It's situations like this that make life difficult and frustrating.
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Re: Discrimination: Why can't we wear a skirt or a dress?

Postby Caultron » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:37 pm

WesleyN wrote:...It is how do you get her accepts me who I am. Sounds strange. Your own wife have to learn accepting jus husband.

All lasting marriages have this going on all the time, and in both directions. We all keep changing and growing.
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