David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

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David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby Jim2 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:04 pm

While this is from a long time back, it was just published on youtube by his son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXsXNrnBagM
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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby Gordon » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:41 pm

Very interesting watching this. All the same arguments would be used today 33 years later.
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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby Couya » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:21 pm

LGG wrote: All the same arguments would be used today 33 years later.


Yes, but I'm sure young women today would not want to appear as narrow-minded and conservative as those young women did. Those girls seem to me quite unable to question their own roles as pretty decorations in a man's world. Were young women really so staid in 1982? This sounded to me more like 1962.

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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby wsherman » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:55 pm

I have to agree that the same arguments that were being passed around then are still being made today but it is to be hoped that those for wearing skirts are being listened to for they are indeed valid. I believe though that the kilt as a casual wear item is being largely accepted now and skirts for men as a wardrobe choice is slowly coming around too.

I wish someone there would have answered Donahues' quip about Pattons' Third Army with a loud "What about the Scots in WWI?". I believe it was the Argyll & Sutherland that earned the moniker from the Germans "The Ladies from Hell" and were respected for their audacity in battle.

BTW weren't the some of the commercial spots interesting?

I salute the pioneers that went before as we'd find the way harder now if it wasn't for them.

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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby dillon » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:09 am

I didnt watch the whole episode due to battery life on the Kindle, but I just wonder if an audience today would be as civil and respectful as that one was? I fear that someone doing that today would be greeted with the rudeness and dismissiveness of the Jerry Springer/Rush Limbaugh era...
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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby crfriend » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:37 am

Couya wrote:Yes, but I'm sure young women today would not want to appear as narrow-minded and conservative as those young women did. Those girls seem to me quite unable to question their own roles as pretty decorations in a man's world. Were young women really so staid in 1982? This sounded to me more like 1962.

One must remember the time -- and, yes, this was 1982 not 1962. This was two years into the realm of Ronnie Reagan and neo-conservatism (the poor Brits wound up with Margaret Thatcher) was running rampant, and the last vestiges of the progress made during the '60s and '70s were being ploughed back into the ground from which they originally sprouted. It was a rather toxic period of time, and Phil Donahue's guests largely reflected that.

Yes, many of the same arguments might be applied today, but for the most part would likely be laughed at given how dumbed-down both male and female apparel have gotten in the intervening 30 years. Even the context of some of the comments no longer exists.

It's true that nobody expects to see a bloke in a skirt. That's precisely why I hold it so important that said bloke present such a commanding presence that disapproval, much less ridicule, is simply not possible because the person offering same would look like an imbecile. If you're going to wear a skirt, be ready to rule the room if need be; folks respect that. This does not mean behaving like an arrogant prick, either; it means being so genuinely yourself that objections simply won't float.

In the short segment of the Donahue clip I saw before my wife killed the connection, it seemed like the guys were almost apologizing for their choice. Apologies should not be necessary.

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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby dillon » Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:58 am

I actually recall there being quite a bit of liberalism in spirit in the early Reagan years. It was not until the latter years of Reagan and Bush1 that it became fashionable to mix wealth and religon under the elective ignorance of the New Right and the first Gulf War. But the extreme right didn't get rolling until they discovered Clinton-bashing, and took it to its illogical and ugliest extreme during the current Obama epoch. Of course liberalism was differently focused at that era, as we dealt with the waning of the Cold War, the rise of terrorism, and the AIDS issue. Gender issues were barely on the radar screen.
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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby crfriend » Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:33 am

dillon wrote:I actually recall there being quite a bit of liberalism in spirit in the early Reagan years.

If there was, it didn't manifest much in New England. Styles went from lush and playful to business suits in the span of less than a year; AIDS replaced herpes as the mark of the impure (and the general attitude was very much one of, "Those who get it deserve it."); the social safety-net began to unravel; and "deregulation" of the sort that has brought about today's world began in earnest.

In short, it was the "soft" things that fell first, and without softness, bad things happen in the world.
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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby wsherman » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:59 pm

Say does anyone know if mr. Hall is still with us and how his life has gone?

Is his son a supporter of the "Men in Skirt Movement?
I think by placing the show on You Tube he has made a wonderful tribute to his parents.

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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby crfriend » Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:18 am

wsherman wrote:Say does anyone know if mr. Hall is still with us and how his life has gone?

There was a postal address listed at the end of the video stating New Hampshire, so maybe that's new. I don't know.
Is his son a supporter of the "Men in Skirt Movement?
I think by placing the show on You Tube he has made a wonderful tribute to his parents.

Without more to go on, it's a hard call to make.

I need to review some other stuff I hopefully have around here. Somehow, the name "Hall" is familiar...
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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby TheRod » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:15 am

Very interesting program, and quite an artifact of its time in some respects, but not others. As an aside, the commercials were interesting in that almost all the women were realistic suburban matrons, not the highly made up, young, perfect models that are ubiquitous now (I very rarely watch any television, but that was my impression). Pity they didn't show any any shorter skirts, especially denim, as I think these are counter intuitively less of a visual change for many people as they are just a subtle change from shorts of the same length. Interestingly it was some younger women who were the most conservative and uncomfortable with men in skirts, but they were unable to say why, other than social convention. More of the older women were accepting. Another observation is that while no one seemed to object to kilts (which are a type of pleated skirt), many couldn't make the conceptual leap to accept other types of skirts on men. I doubt if women, while viewing their skirt collection, make a major division in their mind between pleated and non pleated skirts.
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Re: David Hall on Phil Donahue show in 1982

Postby TheRod » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:13 pm

When researching David Hall, I came across this old but still relevant Guardian article:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... 26/fashion
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